The FBI At Work – Our Secret Police

Hoover newI just finished reading Kenneth Ackerman’s book Young J. Edgar.  He gives a great insight into the person who became the director of the FBI. Hoover worked all his life in government positions in the Justice Department. He started as a young lawyer and came to newsworthy prominence during the period of time in America which became known as the Red Scare. It was a time much like today whereby there was great fear inspired by terrorist acts. Terrorist bombings occurred throughout the United States. The people demanded action be taken against those responsible.

95 years ago radical groups of anarchists emboldened by the successful revolution in Russia by the Bolsheviks called for the overthrow of the American government and promulgated the idea that we too should follow the lead established by the Reds in Russia. Bombs were sent through the mail, the homes of prominent Americans were bombed including the Attorney General of the United States, and nationwide strikes influenced by the communists were badly affecting the economy.

J. Edgar, a young man of much ability, joined the Justice Department in 1917 right out of law school.  He was put in charge at age 24 of the department’s Radical Division in July 1919.  A hard, determined, articulate, intelligent worker whose life was his job he set about attacking this Red Menace. By late 1920 the influence of communists had vanished and the country went into the Roaring Twenties having almost totally forgotten the fears of the late teens.

There is little doubt that the force behind the eradication of the Red Menace was J. Edgar Hoover. A.Mitchell Palmer, the attorney general who headed the Justice Department and Edgar’s boss, came under much criticism for the manner in which Edgar acted to destroy the threat to the county. Civil liberties were tossed out the window with the arrest between 5,000 to 10,000 people in massive raids.

Once the fears had evaporated, it became time to go back and examine the methods used by the Radical Division and they were found wanting. Edgar managed to avoid the recriminations and criticisms by suggesting he was an underling only following orders. He went on to become the director of the Bureau of Investigations, appointed as such by Harlan Fiske Stone in 1924.

Stone at the time he appointed Hoover issued a memorandum relative to the Bureau of Investigation stating: “A secret police may become a menace to free government and free institutions because it carries with it the possibility of abuses of power which are not always quickly understood.”  

Stone continued: “The Bureau of Investigation is not concerned with political or other opinions of individuals. It is only concerned with their conduct and then only with such conduct as is forbidden by the laws of the United States. When a police system passes beyond these limits, it is dangerous to the proper administration of justice and to human liberty, which should be our first concern to cherish. Within them it should rightly be a terror to the wrongdoer.”

The FBI Hoover created can be only understood by knowing what was it that made the man Hoover operate. His 55 years in the Justice Department, 48 as head of the FBI, left an indelible mark on that Bureau. He started off heeding Stone’s admonitions and stuck to chasing criminals. Slowly he expanded his operations into programs to ““neutralize” (that was the official F.B.I. term) “White Hate Groups” (1964-1971) and the “New Left” (1968-1971).” 

Since the time he vacated that office in 1972 after going to bed on May 1 and not waking, the FBI through the bureaucracy created under Hoover continues following his principles. As with any organization, those attempting to keep in place prior doctrine manage to do so but less skillfully than under the original leader. Hoover would know that when things held secret should be in the public realm that keeping them secret reinforces the idea of an out of control secret police agency.

The present leadership of the FBI fails in this understanding. Under Hoover, there is no way in which the killing of Ibragim Todashev by the FBI would be kept secret behind the wall “under investigation” or “under review.”

Hoover would know further that in 1920 the country rejected the idea that the immigration people were to work together with the investigators from the Justice Department. Yet today we see the FBI operating with the Department of Homeland Security Immigration Bureau to ensure those with information about that killing are silenced.

The Boston Globe reports that Tatiana Gruzdeva, the former girlfriend of Todashev, has been deported. The reason was she spoke to the media about her boyfriend. The family and supporters of Todashev according to an article in the Guardian are suggesting that the FBI is “mounting a campaign of “intimidation and harassment” against his associates.” 

The Guardian now quotes the FBI as stating: “The review [about the killing of Todashev] is still ongoing. Keep in mind it’s not just the FBI conducting a review. The Department of Justice and other outside entities are also reviewing. While that is still ongoing, we cannot discuss.” The reasons for the silence keep changing.

The answer is obvious that there is a government coverup which can only be accomplished when a secret police abuses its power. What can be a greater abuse of police power than to kill a man and then attempt to silence those who may know something about the facts by threats and intimidation such as having people deported.

Hoover used such tactics back in 1919. The American people rejected such abuses. Have we changed so much as a people that we now accept them?

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  1. BRAIN PAN ALERT BRAIN PAN ALERT BRAIN PAN ALERT

    David Ray griffin just sent me a email about this new film

    http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=167

    “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor”

    “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” is a 5 hour documentary that summarizes 12 years of public debate on 9/11. While aimed primarily at a general, uninformed audience, the film also contains some new findings that may be of interest to advanced researchers.

    This film is intended as an educational, non-profit operation, and must remain so in order to fulfill all the requirements for the usage of copyrighted material. As such, the entire film is made available online for free from day one. Any purchase of the actual DVD will be considered as a form of donation to the author, in recognition of the time spent to put together this material. Free duplication and distribution of all DVDs is encouraged.

    At the bottom of the page you will find more information related to this film, including the links to order the DVD, and the TRAILER.

    DVD 1

    INDEX for DVD 1

    INTRODUCTION

    0.01:02 – 12 parallels between Pearl
    Harbor and September 11
    0.14:10 – The debate: main issues

    PART 1 – AIR DEFENSE

    0.14:55 – Where are the interceptors?
    0.16:12 – The “incompetence theory”
    (radars, transponders)
    0.22:00 – The military drills
    0.29:40 – Specific warnings
    0.33:08 – The chain of command
    0.38:10 – Promotions, not punishments
    0.39:50 – The Mineta case
    0.47:38 – Debunkers: “Mineta was mistaken”
    0.53:18 – The Mineta case – A summary

    PART 2 – THE HIJACKERS

    0.57:15 – “Piss-poor student pilots”
    0.59:38 – Marwan al-Sheikki (UA175)
    1.01:52 – Ziad Jarrah (UA93)
    1.03:06 – Hani Hanjour (AA77)
    1.04:00 – The debunkers’ positions
    1.06:00 – 2 simulations of the Pentagon attack
    1.13:10 – Someone knew?
    1.16:40 – Airport security cameras
    1.20.15 – The missing black boxes

    PART 3 – THE AIRPLANES

    1.26:50 – Passenger planes or military drones?
    1.28:20 – Impossible speeds
    1.37:30 – What happened to the passengers?
    1.38:35 – The cellphone calls
    1.48:30 – The debunkers’ position
    1.50:38 – If not from the planes, from where?

    DVD 2

    INDEX for DVD 2
    PART 4 – THE PENTAGON

    0.02:35 – Downed light poles
    0.03:30 – The missing plane
    0.04:30 – The official version
    0.05:24 – Problems with the official version
    (wing, ailerons, tail, engines)
    0.13:09 – The mystery hole
    0.14:10 – The debunkers’ explanations
    0.16:20 – Conclusions on damage analysis
    0.17:00 – The missing tapes
    0.18:30 – Security video analysis
    0.23.40 – Pentagon summary

    PART 5 – FLIGHT 93

    0.24.15 – The empty hole
    0.28.00 – The debunkers’ explanations
    0.33:00 – Plane crash or bomb explosion?
    0.34:50 – The debris field

    0.37.20 – The shootdown hypothesis
    0.38:50 – The small white plane
    0.41:40 – “Let’s roll”
    0.44:25 – Summary of Flight 93

    PART 6 – THE TWIN TOWERS

    0.45:10 – Introduction
    0.47:45 – The Towers’ small dirty secret
    0.53:10 – Larry Silverstein
    0.56:15 – NIST vs. Architects & Engineers
    0.58:00 – Robust or fragile buildings?
    1.04:45 – The initial collapse – Explanation #1
    1.05:45 – The initial collapse – Explanation #2
    1.07:35 – Problems with the official explanation
    1.18:00 – The full collapse – No official explanation
    1.18:50 – Law of physics violated
    1.20:50 – The Twin Towers and freefall
    1.27:50 – Debunkers’ response to A&E

    DVD 3

    INDEX for DVD 3

    (Twin Towers continued)

    0.00:20 – The hypothesis of controlled demolitions
    0.01:08 – Debunkers: “Impossible to place explosives”
    0.07:34 – Explosions in the Twin Towers (witnesses)
    0.15:00 – “Fuel in elevators shafts” theory
    0.23:25 – Debunkers: “Explosions not recorded by tv cameras”
    0.30:26 – Squibs
    0.33:00 – Explosive force (montage)
    0.35:00 – Ejecta
    0.38:00 – Diagonal cuts
    0.40:15 – What happened to the hat trusses?
    0.42:20 – Extreme temperatures
    0.45:30 – Debunkers’ explanations
    0.46:45 – Twisted and mangled beams
    0.47:40 – Molten steel
    0.51:05 – Molten concrete

    0.53:50 – Pulverization
    0.57:40 – Victims vaporized
    1.02:20 – Conclusion on the Twin Towers

    PART 7 – BUILDING 7

    1.05:10 – Introduction
    1.06:35 – Official version by NIST
    1.09:36 – Collapse computer simulation
    1.11:00 – Fire computer simulation
    1.12:20 – Debunkers: “Building 7 weaker”
    1.14:25 – Preknowledge
    1.19:00 – Symmetry
    1.20:00 – Freefall

    EPILOGUE

    1.22:30 – John McCain
    1.24:35 – The last word

    GENERAL INFORMATION

    CONTACT: redazione[AT]luogocomune.net (replace [AT] with symbol).

    SOURCE FILES: Here you can download the “Pentagon video analysis” by digital expert P.P. Murru (in Italian). All other sources used in the film are easily retrievable online.

    OTHER LANGUAGES: You can access the Italian version of the film here, and the French version of the film here.

    PUBLIC SCREENINGS: A 3 hour version of the film is in the works. It will be made available as soon as ready to those who wish to organize a public screening. Please contact me for details.

    COMMENTS: Serious, constructive criticism is always welcome, from both sides of the fence. I don’t have a forum in English, but you can always send your comments to my address above. The comments deemed of general interest will be published here, together with my answers.

    ERRORS & OMISSION: I have tried my best to acknowledge every source I have used in the film. Should I have missed someone, please let me know. Errors & omissions will be listed here as soon as they are reported.

    ORDER DVD – You can order the 3-DVD set of “September 11 – The New Pearl Harbor” from Amazon (US residents) or from luogocomune (rest of the world). Other films by Massimo Mazzucco are also available.

    1. MS:

      I don’t suppose you believe the same people behind Pearl Harbor were behind the World Trade Center bombings?

  2. When you are the law enforcement agency investigating the crime you just committed , well fill in the blanks. In other news I rescind my offer to take Matt and meet with my buddy from Quincy Ed Tatro at Doyles in Jamaica Plain. Unless we call all meet and Matt picks up the tab, eh?
    see link for full story

    http://www.olneydailymail.com/article/20131017/NEWS/131019384/1001/NEWS

    One of the speakers , Ed Tatro is a friend who we brought to speak at Bates College.
    He scripted the banned History Channel documentary THE GUILTY MEN and appears in the program.

    Olney Central College will host two-day conference on JFK assassination
    OCC instructor David Denton has organized event

    Posted Oct. 17, 2013 @ 5:24 pm

    Olney, Ill. —

    This year marks the 50th anniversary of President John F. Kennedy’s assassination. This month Olney Central College will host a free two-day conference, which will bring together nationally-known academics, scholars and authors to lend their perspectives on the events leading up to and following that fateful day in Dallas.

    Nearly five decades after Kennedy’s death, questions and speculation continue to surround the assassination. OCC instructor and conference organizer David Denton said the event — Changing the Historical Reality of November 22, 1963 — will explore the idea that the version of history put forth by the Warren Commission is untenable.

    Denton said the conference speakers will present factual evidence, which questions the Warren Commission’s conclusions and offers a different historical reality that takes into account the forces, which were aligned against Kennedy. The presenters also will explore the potential means, motive, opportunity and connections, as well as who benefited the most from the president’s death.

    The conference will be held from noon to 9 p.m. on Friday, Oct. 25 and from 10 a.m. to 7:20 p.m. on Saturday, Oct. 26 in the Dr. John D. Stull Performing Arts Center. Both evenings will conclude with a reception, which will give participants the opportunity to interact with the speakers.

    “The conference is open to the public and we encourage anyone who is interested in that period of our history to attend,” Denton said. “We will talk about the basic evidence, facts and witnesses in the case as well as the controversial elements such as the Secret Service protection, the autopsy of the president and the motives and means of opportunity of people who may have been involved.”

    Although the Warren Commission concluded in its 1964 report Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, Denton said the vast majority of Americans have always believed otherwise and the weight of the evidence confirms their doubts.

    Denton, who also is a conference speaker, will discuss the Secret Service as well as the CIA. Other presenters include Douglas P. Horne, Edgar F. Tatro, Phillip F. Nelson, Dennis David, Rick Russo, James Wagenvoord and Judyth Vary Baker.

    Horne served on the staff of the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) from August 1995 to September 1998. His most important work on the ARRB staff was the assistance he provided to the General Counsel in conducting all 10 sworn depositions of key personnel who conducted, or witnessed, President Kennedy’s military autopsy at Bethesda Naval Hospital on Nov. 22, 1963. In 2009, he published the five-volume encyclopedic work Inside the Assassination Records Review Board: The U.S. Government’s Final Attempt to Reconcile the Conflicting Medical Evidence in the Assassination of JFK — a frank and extremely detailed discussion of the evidence of the U.S. government’s cover-up in 1963 and 1964 of the medical evidence surrounding JFK’s assassination.

    Tatro is a long-time educator, who has taught college and adult education courses for 30 years, specializing in the JFK assassination. He is the author of many research articles pertaining to the assassination conspiracy. His work has been acknowledged or footnoted in many JFK assassination books. Tatro served as a minor consultant to Oliver Stone’s film, “JFK,” and is acknowledged in JFK: The Book of the Film by Oliver Stone and Zachary Sklar.

    Tatro is the original editor of Texas in the Morning, the memoirs of LBJ’s mistress, Madeleine Duncan Brown, and editor of the Bugliosi Chapter in Biting the Elephant by Dr. Rodger Remington. He contributed research to Sen. Sam Ervin’s Watergate investigative committee and the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

    He was a consultant to Nigel Turner’s “The Truth Shall Set You Free” and “The Smoking Guns,” parts six and seven of The Men Who Killed Kennedy series. He was a primary recruiter and participant in Turner’s “The Guilty Men,” part nine of the same series.

    1. MS:

      Sorry you rescinded the offer. Also – won’t be in Illinois on the days of the conference so I’ll miss it. It makes no difference any more that JFK may have been murdered otherwise than we are taught, if you note in my post today the media sets the facts and the rest follow along – truth is what most people believe.

      1. Matt, I know what you mean, but we both agree that the “accepted version” of events by “most people” is oftentimes false. There are real truths and real hard-core facts. It is the job of historical revisionists (like Howie Carr, the corrupt fatso, and the Globe’s James Carroll and Jeff Jacoby for examples), and the job of propagandists (at the Globe and DOJ, for examples) and the job of Wall Street Tycoons (who buy lobbyists) to obscure facts and truth. Their motives: more power, more fame and more money. Venal people rule in America, today. Twisting the truth, Spin, not honesty, is their virtue.
        2. I agree with you in rejecting many conspiracy theories. I don’t think the FBI planned or plans to kills Americans: I do think they needlessly operate too secretly and needlessly harass (investigate) ordinary Americans. As you say their attitude is “every automobile may have a bomb in the trunk”; all American veterans who are pro-life or have licenses to carry weapons are “suspect” and put on Janet Napolitano’s Homeland Security lists.
        3. I do think the entire Government, DOJ acts like a Police State; overreach, bullying and negligent prosecutions/investigations are rampant in our Police State. the DOJ often acts as if it is indifferent to Americans’ constitutional freedoms (privacy, freedom of speech, association, freedom of inquiry, right to know). The DOJ, FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, NSA often act with the 1930s Police State Mentality that preceded the rise of the Fascists, the National Socialists, in Germany, Spain, Portugal and Italy. You know, the black-booted, goose-stepping brown shirts and the black shirt-SS-types. Modern American is like Mussolini’s Italy: a bullying Police State at home; Imperialistic-Militaristic abroad. (Italy mucked up invasions of Ethiopia and Greece.)
        4. The FBI/DOJ is not intentionally participating in the planned execution and extermination of our fellow Americans – – – yet – — although many have died because of mishandling: NEGLIGENCE in managing such programs as TEI, Fast and Furious, and anti-Terrorist programs, for examples. The DOJ/FBI/Homeland Security do needlessly withhold vital information from us, We the American People, and do needlessly propagandize and lie to us. And yes, in a Police State, the cops are too quick on the draw and too prone to shoot first and cover-up later.

        1. William:

          1. No one ever said that freedom of speech had anything to do with the truth. We have reality deniers and reality twisters and money grubbers all out spelling their thoughts out. The old time media was clear in its prejudices, now it tries to pretend impartiality under slogans as “fair and balanced” and “all the news that fit to print.” In America today people only listen to people who reinforce their own beliefs – if they listen at all.

          2. Janet’s gone to the Left Coast to head the California College system. The FBI is made up of good people who are imprisoned in a system that is corrupt. I’ve never been able to figure this out although I got a hint of it at Whitey’s trial when I recognized that those who climb the ladder in the FBI are those most willing to buy into the corrupt system. The good guys and gals are stuck and hold their noses and do the job in the best way possible.

          3. The encroachment will come slowly. The idea of free speech zones was instituted and upheld a long time ago. You do remember reading about zones in the First Amendment. Police forces are becoming more militarized and more controlled by the federals. Whether we reach the Third Reich type situation remains to be seen. The thing needed to bring it about is an enemy so you can rally the majority of the population against them. There aren’t enough Muslims to make them fit that role. It’ll be interesting to see what group of people will become “the enemy.”

          4. There is a need for some type of push back against the encroachment of the police state. But it’s hard to see who will do it.

  3. Joint Release from Massachusetts Law Enforcement Agencies:

    Boston, MA – In response to media inquiries about recent news reports relating to the marathon bombings, Special Agent in Charge of the Boston Division, Vincent Lisi, Colonel Timothy Alben of the Massachusetts State Police and Commissioner Edward Davis of the Boston Police released the following statement:

    Previously, members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force have responded to similar questions relating to whether or not the FBI, Boston Police, Massachusetts State Police or other members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force knew the identities of the bombers before the shootout. Members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force did not know their identities until shortly after Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s death when they fingerprinted his corpse. Nor did the Joint Terrorism Task Force have the Tsarnaevs under surveillance at any time after the Assessment of Tamerlan Tsarnaev was closed in 2011. The Joint Terrorism Task Force was at M.I.T., located in Cambridge, MA, on April 18, 2013, on a matter unrelated to the Tsarnaev brothers. Additionally, the Tsarnaev brothers were never sources for the FBI nor did the FBI attempt to recruit them as sources.

    There has been recent reporting relating to whether or not the FBI, Boston Police, Massachusetts State Police or other members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force knew the identities of the bombers before the shootout with the alleged marathon bombing suspects, and were conducting physical surveillance of them on April 18, 2013. These claims have been repeatedly refuted by the FBI, Boston Police, and Massachusetts State Police.

    To be absolutely clear: No one was surveilling the Tsarnaevs and they were not identified until after the shootout. Any claims to the contrary are false.

    Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/23722778/tough-questions-for-fbi-over-marathon-bombing-response#ixzz2i6kdl6f6

    ———————————————-

    The younger brother was found .2 of a mile from where his car was abandoned.
    Yet the boat was not in the area that was searched.
    None of this makes sense.

    1. When you are the law enforcement agency called the FBI investigating another crime you just committed called the Boston Marathon bombing you can certainly invite inquiries . If members of Congress or the US Senate get too uppity you can pull their FBI file and tell them to go into the corner, they need some quiet time. If Boston voters and taxpayers had a volunteer civilian review police board with subpoena powers they could conduct their own investigation. !st question they would ask is was local and federal law enforcement involved in the planning, carrying out and coverup of the Boston Marathon bombing. They would ask this question for 5 reasons. !st reason: FBI informant David Headley was behind the Mumbai Terrorist attack. 2nd reason: Timothy McVeigh was a FBI informant and FBI supervisor Larry Potts was his handler before McVeigh was arrested for the Oklahoma City bombing. 3rd reason: FBI informant Whitey Bulger was given C4 explosives by his Boston FBI Office agent handlers to give to the terrorist group in Ireland called the IRA .The C4 was then used to create the Omargh bombing. Another FBI official involved with the IRA was named Ruppert. 4th reason:
      New York FBI agents Anticev and Floyd paid $1 million of your tax dollars to FBI informant Ahmed Salem to organize a group of Arabs in New York City and teach them to build a truck bomb.
      When the bomb was built the FBI agents allowed the group to detonate the bomb in the garage of the World Trade Center in 1993. 5th reason Was Tamerlan Tsarnaev a Double Agent Recruited by the FBI? By Peter Dale Scott on Jun 23, 2013 http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/23/was-tamerlan-tsarnaev-a-double-agent-recruited-by-the-fbi/

    2. Firefly:

      One problem I have with any FBI response is believing whether it is true. You have to examine each word carefully because they are written by committee and each word tells. They did send a team to investigate the happenings in the Boston FBI office after all of the news about its involvement with Whitey and came out with a message saying there was nothing wrong in the office.

      The response put out this time seems quite to the point and if it is not a lie, then it does answer a couple of important questions namely that Tsarnaevs were not informants and the FBI did not know their identity until after the shoot outs. It still leaves open the two salient questions about what was done when the FBI was tipped off about Tsanaev’s militant leanings and why when they narrowed down the scope to those men with the bags they didn’t check with the guys in their office who had interviewed and done other things relative to him to see if anyone knew him.

      I note they issued a joint statement with others but the others don’t know what the FBI knows so they’re saying in effect that they did not know – they cannot assure us what the FBI knew since they never knew about the tip off from the Russians so adding them adds nothing.

      As I read it the Cambridge police reported that those on surveillance were only FBI guys and not members of the JTTF. On one hand I find it hard to believe the FBI was doing some work independent of the Marathon Terrorist Attack on the days right after the attack. I’d think all of its efforts would be on determining who did the attack and not on surveilling some MIT students. You are right that a lot is unclear – that’s why Senator Gratsley, the only one who seems to be wise to the FBI, is right to try to get some answers. That’s why we need a public hearing.

  4. This is bizarre:

    Authorities said the Joint Terrorism Task Force “was at M.I.T., located in Cambridge, MA, on April 18, 2013, on a matter unrelated to the Tsarnaev brothers.”
    – See more at: http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/10/feds_cops_tsarnaev_brothers_not_id_d_until_after_shootout#sthash.DWFu3R6q.dpuf

    So, if I get this straight, Chuck Grassley asks the FBI the following:

    My office has been made aware of another instance following the bombing in which it appears that information was not shared. In the hours leading up to the shooting of Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Police Officer Sean Collier and the death of the older suspect involved in the bombing, sources revealed that uniformed Cambridge Police Department officers encountered multiple teams of FBI employees conducting surveillance in the area of Central Square in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It is unclear who the FBI was watching, but these sources allege that the Cambridge Police Department, including its representation at the JTTF, was not previously made aware of the FBI’s activity in Cambridge.
    Continued reluctance on the part of the FBI to share information with local law enforcement, especially in the wake of the Whitey Bulger saga and your ongoing Mark Rossetti investigation, would be extremely troubling. Thus, in addition to my previous questions above, please also answer the following:
    7. Was the FBI conducting surveillance in the area of Central Square in the City of Cambridge on the night MIT Officer Sean Collier was shot dead?
    8. Did the FBI notify anyone in the Cambridge Police Department of this surveillance prior to its initiation?
    a. If so, whom? b. If not, why not?
    9. Was the surveillance being conducted in Cambridge on either of the Tsarnaev brothers, their associates or people later confirmed to be their acquaintances?

    http://www.wcvb.com/blob/view/-/22499770/data/2/-/qiihi9/-/Grassley-Letter.pdf

    And the story from the Herald says that the FBI was at MIT on an unrelated matter.

    What in the world is going on?

    1. Firefly:

      I replied to you later post and it pretty much sets out what I would say here. Some questions are answered but for every answer we have other questions. It’s time our cowardly Congess people stepped up and investigated the matter fully.

  5. LOL…..watching Matt pirouette around taxpayers funded FBI agents.
    Matt was a original member of the presbyopic six because of his inability to connect dots.
    How about we define the organizational model of the FBI as a death squad posing as a law enforcement agency.

    Secondly we need to ask the question” was the Director of the FBI , J Edgar Hoover a pedophile ?”

    Third question did FBI agents including Hoover plan, carry out and cover up the President Kennedy assassination ?

    Fourth question is were FBI informants involved in creating the 1993 1st World Trade Center bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, Mumbai Terrorist attack, Omargh bombing, Lockerbie bombing ?

    Fifth question is were FBI Chechen informants patsies in the Boston Marathon bombing?

    In other news
    Recent Photos From the National Archives Prove: Lee Harvey Oswald innocent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25QiW5K9U9c

    1. MS:

      We disagree on much. You find a conspiracy behind every bush (Bush?) and seem to suggest the personal life of people has a bearing on the matters we discuss. To answer your questions: Hoover wasn’t a pedophile; the FBI had no involvement in planning or carrying out the assasination of JFK, the fourth question is answered with a resounding “NO!”; and fifth you can look back at the answer to number 4. I have no doubt about Harvey’s guilt, after all he was a Marine sharpshooter.

    1. Patty:

      I see the FBI responded to those allegations with a press release. http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/23722778/tough-questions-for-fbi-over-marathon-bombing-response#ixzz2i6kdl6f6

      This seems to raise more questions than it answers. What I find amusing is that the state police and Boston police support the FBI statement. Since the FBI never told them about the Russian inquiry into Tsarnaev how would they know anything about what was going on inside the FBI. All they can really say is the FBI never told them about Tsarnaev. The whole problem is anyone who believes and FBI statement was truly born last night.

  6. Matt, very insightful, informative post. So much stuff, from the Boston Terrorist Massacre, to Benghazi, to the Florida killing, to Fast and Furious, to the use of TEI killers, etc., is being deliberately covered-up by the FEDs. It can’t be explained, excused or ignored. Thanks for the in-depth coverage. Wake up, America!

  7. What does it say about the nation to permit a secret police? The Congress gets ignored by Federal law enforcement on Todashev, Benghazi and the Boston Marathon yet they still fund the DOJ and FBI. 2. Does Whitey have higher ethics than the FBI, State Police and Capitol Police? In one of those gangster books Pat Nee claims that WB came to Charlestown to kill him. Nee was in an apartment with a girlfriend and her young child. WB raised his rifle to shoot but saw the child and didn’t. Nee got his gun and chased WB down the street. Compare his restraint to the Secret Service and Capitol Police conduct in the Ms. Carey episode. Carey is unarmed and with a child yet she’s shot to death. Failure to Stop and Speeding are death penalty offenses in DC. Asserting the 5th Amendment in Fla.( Todashev) requires death. Hell must be empty . All the devils are here.

    1. Great post, N. I just read about the satanic beheading of a Catholic Priest in Syria on June 30, 2013 by the REBEL jihadists Obama/McCain support and are giving funds and weapons, too. Hypothetically during WWII, what would Americans say if the Prez/Senators said we are giving aid to certain German Nazi Forces, but only 10% are SS, Gestapo. We’d try the Pres and Senator for treason: giving aid and comfort to the enemy during a time of war: Here’s an excerpt from the article on the beheading of Christians in Syria by “our” rebels:
      Catholic Online is raising alarm that western nations are providing support to the rebels who have shown a proclivity toward persecuting Christians:

      This should make it clear to Christians around the world what jihadists are about. Make no mistake. Catholics and [other] Christians around the globe are under dire threat, particularly from the spread of militant Islam. Until the threat is recognized and taken seriously, martyrdoms like this will continue.

      Vatican Radio reports that Gassanieh, a village with a majority Christian population, had been under attack by Islamist fighters for the past few weeks, forcing most residents to flee for safety.

      It quotes Custos of the Holy Land, Franciscan Fr. Pierbattista Pizzaballa who says, “Unfortunately Syria has now become a battleground not only between Syrian forces, but also between Arab countries and the international community. And those paying the price are the poor, the young and the Christians. That the international community must put a stop to all this”.

      Pizzaballa told the Vatican News Agency, “The world must know that the support of gunmen by the west is helping extremists in killing Syrians.

      “With such stances, not a single Christian will remain in the East,” he added.

      Vatican Radio writes, “Fr. Mourad was just one of the many men and women religious putting their faith on the front line in Syria, refusing to abandon the communities they serve, Christian and Muslim. They stay because they want to be a sign of hope, light and comfort to people in the midst of destruction.”

      1. William:

        One of the closest allies of the United States is Saudi Arabia. Here’s what you should know about it. “Saudi Arabia allows Roman Catholics and Christians of other denominations to enter the country as foreign workers for temporary work, but does not allow them to practise their faith openly, and as a result Roman Catholics and Christians of other denominations generally only worship in secret within private homes.[1] Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited.[2] These include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols, and others, although the Government’s stated policy was that such items were allowed for private religious purposes. The Saudi Arabian Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين), or Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice prohibits the practice of any religion other than Islam.[3] Conversion of a Muslim to another religion is considered apostasy. The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services.”

        We support and defend that country. Yet they will not let a rabbi, priest or minister into it. Given that, why does it upset you that we tolerate Christians being killed by other Muslims.

        I suggest your concern with the events in Syria as they affect Christians is appropriate. But you should not be surprised. Here’s a story about what happened to the Christians in Iraq since we decided to war there.

        “Fatin Yousef endured the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the outbreak of fierce Sunni-Shiite fighting in 2006, and an uptick in militant attacks after US troops withdrew in December 2011.As a Christian, she faced even more persecution than the average Iraqi. But while roughly half of Iraq’s estimated 1 million Christians fled the country, she stayed put for a decade – until this summer.

        Three weeks ago, Ms. Yousef finally left her country for good, taking refuge in Amman with her teenage daughter and elderly mother. Among her extended family of about 60 relatives, only one remains in Iraq.

        Her story could not be independently verified by the Monitor but it is consistent with the accounts of other Iraqi Christian refugees, illustrating the persistent threat faced by one of the world’s oldest Christian communities, distinct but not disconnected from the widespread suffering of Iraqis of all backgrounds.

        RELATED: As Syria’s war rages, region’s Christians hold their breath

        Yousef says her uncle was kidnapped and then killed after three days, targeted because he was a Christian. The perpetrators called her family to collect his body, then began threatening her.

        “Within 24 hours, you will leave your job, leave your house. If you don’t leave in 24 hours we’re going to blow up your house,” Yousef recalls them telling her over the phone. So she quit her job as a stewardess with Iraqi Air, her employer for 13 years, left her house, and moved in with an aunt.

        She finally resolved to leave Iraq, but the day of her departure her sister called from Syria, where more than 300,000 Iraqi Christians have taken refuge. She told Yousef that her husband had traveled back to Iraq and was kidnapped on arrival; her sister begged her to stay and seek his release.

        She stayed, but they never heard from him.

        Yousef’s daughter, Lorita, found herself the only Christian in her class of 40 at school. She was required to sit through Islamic religious instruction that denigrated Christianity.

        They couldn’t find comfort in church because they were too scared to attend after the Al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq killed at least 58 worshippers at Our Lady of Salvation church in Baghdad in 2010.

        “We don’t go to church in Baghdad, of course not,” says Yousef. “Then they will kill us in the church.”

        But despite not being able to attend church, she has maintained a strong faith and credits God with helping her get Lorita out of Iraq safely.

        “The most important thing is that God helped me with was to save my daughter,” says Yousef, who hopes they will be able to join her sister in Australia. “She’s the most important thing in my life.””

        It seems the only safe place for a Christian in Arabia is in Israel.

        1. Matt, at BC High’s Gala at Symphony Hall, an 84 year old Jesuit gave the benediction; he’s a teacher there and once taught in Baghdad; he said the Jesuits had to close their school in Iraq because “they didn’t like us.” As your posts illustrate, the radical Muslim ascendancy is hostile to Christians. More killings of Christians will be sanctioned, officially and unofficially. It’ll be a long, long struggle against the murderous forces of radical Islam.
          So, have a happy day because the Medievalists are doomed to defeat, and all we can do about it anyway is to speak the truth.

    2. N:
      1. the nation is too busy to care – it likes to play pretend all the time and the people absolutely care less – we have this imbecilic thing known as a debt ceiling that is routinely raised every time we come near to it resulting in nonsensical political posturing – why have something that really means nothing – but that is the country you live in.

      2. you can’t say Whitey has higher ethics than anyone since he is an ethical void – don’t forget Congress gave the Capitol Police a standing ovation for shooting an unarmed woman driving erratically with a child. Have you noticed how the cops all want to shoot at people lately. During the time I was a prosecutor I don’t recall any cop shootings as least in my county – now they are all ready to test their new weapons – I fear the influence of all those computer games has infected our police forces – fortunately the cop is always defending himself against a person coming at him with a dangerous weapon who happens to be 20 yards away and carrying just a cigarette. The dangerous weapon is a shod foot.

      3. Remember what Kevin Weeks said about gangsters: they lie. They live to lie and lie to live. Nee is delusional. Another member of Congress justified Carey’s killing by saying any car could have a trunk full of explosives – apparently all authomobile drivers are at now on notice they may be killed especially if they drive with their shoes on.

  8. I learned so much from this post.

    My first impressions center on the age at which Edgar became head of the FBI’s Radical Division: 24.
    At 24, his frontal lobe had not matured, and today, he would not be allowed to rent a car.
    If 5,000 to 10,000 people were arrested under the “leadership” of J Edgar Hoover, I am amazed.

    If Wiki is correct, in 1917 at the age of 22, Edgar was hired by the DOJ and quickly became the head of the division’s Alien Enemy Bureau. He was given the power to arrest and jail disloyal foreigners without a trial. And so while many of us are dealing with yet another cell phone landing in the toilet, and we certainly suggest waiting a bit to make any long term relationship commitments, J Edgar oversaw the arrest of those who would not get a trial. 22 years old.

    Was there a shortage of real adults?

    1. Firefly,

      Not much has changed with respect to deportation either. Essentially I have been deported since I cannot get a valid social security number since my ID was stolen, and I have been Ordered Not Competent…same dirty trick play book appears to be used…perhaps less obvious, but still very effective. It may even have JEdgars finger prints on it. Another suggested reading on JEdgar is by Curt Gentry. Title J. Edgar Hoover The Man and the Secrets…Norton publisher…

    2. Firefly:

      J. Edgar was ahead of his time. He ruled our secret police for 48 years without regard for the laws of the country. He called his headquarters the Seat of Government as if that was where the country was run from. He had no frontal lobe according to some.

      1. He started at 22.
        Who came up with this idea?
        The Seat of Government?
        The Seat of Government??
        Who came up with this idea?
        J Edgar Hoover did not put himself in these positions.

        1. Firefly:

          Hoover insisted that his office be called the Seat of Government by his men – and they were all men when he was boss – all white men except for three black agents whose only job was as his drivers – and his men dutifully responded like little tin soldiers. Hoover was put into the position by the attorney general but as time passed he became more powerful than any of the attorney generals who came along.

  9. Matt – please allow me to play devils advocate on this for arguments sake.
    What if the killing was justified and they really cannot comment on the investigation?
    I understand they should be telling us what happened and your point is well taken as a clear illustration of a pattern by the FBI in not letting the general public know details about certain cases or not commenting at all on others but do you see their side in any of this or not at all? In broad terms what do you think should be the FBI’s MO? – total transparency?

    1. SJM:

      1. they don’t have to comment on the investigation. All they have to do is officially tell us what happened that caused the FBI agent to gun Todashev down. There is no investigation that his death affects. If the killing was justifiable, we should have known the facts within two or three days. We didn’t have to know what they were talking about if that was somehow top secret; all we had to know is why with 6 cops in a room a guy got gunned down. After all it happened in an enclosed area in the view of other law enforcement officers. Not one has come forward to tell what he or she saw. That’s how well the FBI can muzzle people.

      2. I don’t see in this instance anything that justifies not telling us what happens. Think of the precedent – the FBI can kill someone and then not disclose what happened and there is no one who can force them to act otherwise. It really is quite frightening when you realize this is more like a fascist state. It’s like in Argentina where the police would pick someone up and he’d never be heard from again and they refused to answer any inquiries. For me it is a step to far in this country.

      3. The FBI’s MO should be: all interviews are recorded (now none are); all investigations into FBI killings or shootings should be done by an impartial judge within a limited period of time. I’m not suggesting anything it does should be discoverable because there are legitimate investigations that must be kept secret but the habit of shutting the door on everything by suggesting it is under investigation makes a mockery out of the idea we are a democracy. The concept of our form of government is knowledge; more and more we see us being deprived of it. The Todashev killing; the Rossetti being a top level informant; and what was done with respect to the information received from Russia by the FBI are all matters that the public should be advised of. I don’t suggest the FBI tell us who its top echelon informants are, but I would like to see a system in place where their informants would be monitored by an independent body to insure we are not being preyed on by them. We just are unable to trust the FBI to police itself after it has failed to do so again and again.

  10. “What can be a greater abuse of police power than to kill a man and then attempt to silence those who may know something about the facts by threats and intimidation such as having people deported. Hoover used such tactics back in 1919. The American people rejected such abuses. Have we changed so much as a people that we now accept them?”
    ——————————-
    Matt, the above quote points to the real crux of the matter concerning abuse of policing powers; and your poignant question? It is clear in the facts that relate to my family’s situation: the answer so far is, yes! American citizens have changed, and yes, they are afraid not to accept what they are told…we all know what happens to whistle-blowers.

    If my family’s experiences, in NH and with the US DOJ, which have been laid out in great detail, in the series NO WITNESS = NO CASE, and posted in the High Birches Springs section of nhjustice.net are becoming the norm, as we suspect, for POOFs, then we citizens ‘have come a long way, baby’.

    My family has found that we have a lot of rights on the ‘books’, but no effective remedy as long as those rights have no teeth – read political will – to enforce correct police power procedures. The ‘Dirty Tricks’ playbook of Mr. FBI ‘fixer’ should be burned at the stake come this Halloween.

    In my experience, even close friends are fearful of publicly supporting my request to NH, and US DOJ, for an independent inquiry. Although it has not been voiced by my friends, it appears clear that our facts are ‘inconvenient truths’ that may expose a national insecurity that lurks in many just below the surface normality that lets the average citizen believe “all is well”.

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