Whitey and the FBI: Questions From Jerome: Part IV

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Jerome’s first question related to his inability to find anything that happened as a result of the information Whitey gave to the FBI. He wanted to see some record of arrest of bookies, loan sharks, drug dealers, arms dealers, bank robbers or of any criminals attributed to Whitey.

I asked him to find out the identity of three people along with “Little Al.” I suggested that would help him figure things out. The three men I referred to were African-American informants that were used under J. Edgar Hoover to infiltrate the black newspaper publishers. “Little Al” was a bug that was put into a Mafia meeting place in Chicago.

Jerome in one of his most recent post did not mention whether he had done what I asked and analyzed it in relation to his question. He did however point to a comment by Kerry with approval. Kerry suggests Whitey was not an informant, he did nothing for the FBI, and received protection under false pretenses.

Had Jerome discovered the identity of those people and mixed in “Little Al” as I hoped he would, he would realize why they all were useful to the FBI. It was not because their information resulted in people being arrested but because the FBI is anxious to know what was going on.  Its business is to gather information which is necessary if its agents are going to be effective investigators and carry out their mandate of protecting the United States.

The FBI in the early 1900s wanted to know the political leanings of the black publishers. It feared the goals of the Third International may have been adopted by them.  In the 1960s It wanted to know what the Chicago mob was planning or had done. Throughout its existence the FBI has used tens of thousand of informants who did no more than give it information. It used this information in ways to suit its purpose. Some I assume was used in a lawful manner; other, well look at COINTELPRO.

I sought to impress on Jerome that an informant plain and simple is one that provides information. I read an FBI report where an FBI agent had an informant who just gave him information on what was going on in the neighborhood. One report had him saying he saw Whitey going into a ice cream store and coming out with a cone. This informant was being paid to tell the agent what was happening in a certain area of the city.

Using the broad definition it is clear White was an informant. He gave information that went into his file for the FBI to use. That some people say a lot of it was worthless doesn’t matter; that other stuff was wrong, like when he told Agent John Connolly that the Charlestown guys murdered Halloran, doesn’t matter. What he did is provide information. That makes him an informant.

In front of me now is a report by FBI Supervisor James Ring dated 10/17/84 in which he says he has met with Whitey and Stevie four times. They told him they “were under intense physical surveillance . . . [t]hey knew from their sources that District Attorney WILLIAM DELAHUNT had specifically targeted them as subjects . . . .”  Isn’t that giving information?

The FBI SAC added to the report of Ring:  “requesting that the case Agent [John Connolly] . . . summarize any information provided to him by the source or sources regarding any information they furnished relating to any law enforcement activity directed toward the sources.”

The FBI wanted to know what other law enforcement agencies were doing. It was seeking that information from Whitey and Stevie. Connolly responded on November 1, 1984 with a five-page report giving information he received from Whitey about the various instances that other law enforcement agencies had tried to get evidence against him. He wrote “Sources . . . are not sure of the motivation for the increased attention, they believe it has its inception in Quincy which means District Attorney DELAHUNT to them!” 

For those who don’t know it, for years I was the one in Delahunt’s office who ran the operations that were aggravating Whitey. Keep that in mind when you hear people say that somehow Whitey because of his brother Billy had a pass to commit crimes. He never did on the state side where if Billy had any ability to help him that would be where it was.

My office, the state police, the Quincy police and other local police agencies had no reluctance to go after Whitey. Billy was never a consideration, a hindrance or given a thought one way or the other. The inability to bring him down was not for lack of effort. It was because of the FBI’s Top Echelon program designed to protect its informants.


17 thoughts on “Whitey and the FBI: Questions From Jerome: Part IV

  1. RATHER,
    That’s a very inside Old Combat Zone reflection My Bruthaaa’ 🙂

  2. yawn!….


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    1. MS:

      Thanks. I’ll have to follow that series since it will contain information that is important to understanding the Boston situation.

  3. Ms. Freeh :


  4. Matt
    When you have time to review my most recent comments in Part 2 and part 3 of this great series you will see that I did in fact get information on 2 of the names you recommended I research. I posted comments on 7/26/2015.

    1. Jerome:

      I saw that you got their names and what they did. I did not see that you incorporated that into your idea of what it means to be an informant. You have to get beyond the idea of “arrests” and to the point where the FBI values information as much as matters that will lead to positive actions.

      1. Matt
        What purpose does “gathering information” serve the FBI if it does not lead to arrests, convictions, breaking up criminal acts, etc. Maybe I need a refresher course on just exactly what the FBI does do. I know there are different aspects to law enforcement (DEA/ATF/local and state police). What interesting now is that Flemmi and subsequently Flemmi saw the immense value of being a Top Echelon Informant AND correct me if I am wrong, but no other branch of law enforcement comes close to providing the same “protection”? Basically Flemmi and other Top Echelon Informants trade information and get to make a ton of money and never get arrested and sent to jail. Seems a no brainer to be one if one is a criminal.

        ALL the perks for giving information.

        1. Jerome:
          I’m really flat out pressed on many other things so I can only spend a limited time answering your questions. I have answered some in my posts. I will answer those you have posed in the past but you cannot expect that I will be able to continue to do this. You will have to do some work on your own to figure some of these things out.
          Part II questions:
          1. Set out Whitey’s murders and proof, etc. It would require a very long answer and my time is limited so I cannot do that.
          2. Could witnesses against Whitey perjure themselves? Of course, they already lied to the prosecutors so all they had to do was stick to the lied and they would not be prosecuted for it. The only people who could indict them are their new found friends who they used them to build the case.
          3. Bulger did not want to testify because he did not want to give the media a chance for another book, because he knew there was no way he could be acquitted because his defense of immunity was not allowed, and if there is to be a book by him he wants someone he knows to benefit from it. Bulger always knew once he was arrested he would never be free again.
          4. True – unless you are there you won’t know the full truth like in any situation. But you can do a good job figuring it out if you have spent time investigating criminals and their motives.
          Part III questions:
          1. The true nature of the Connolly/Whitey relationship I spelled out in the series of answers to you. Whitey gave Connolly information; the full extent of the information we don’t know nor will we ever know.

          2. Whitey was a TE informant because the FBI thought his connections and information were worth it. Whitey met not only with Connolly and Morris but with other FBI bosses who were satisfied with him.

          3. Wolf did not out Whitey. His partner Flemmi did to save his butt as I explained earlier.

          4. I cannot get into each murder as I explained.

          5. Martorano made a deal with the feds around a year or a little more after he was arrested. Tom Foley’s book is all about that as is Howie Carr’s book with Martorano. He made a deal because he feared Flemmi was going to make a deal. Flemmi made a deal because Martorano implicated him in the Oklahoma and Florida murders. Both states have a death penalty.

          6. Flemmi’s deal with the FBI to protect him fell apart when a new posse moved into town. Those guys did not feel bound by any prior deals. Judge Wolf found he had a deal and was going to hold hearings on it when the Appeals Court said he couldn’t make deals with the FBI but they had to be with a prosecutor. That’s why Whitey threw O’Sullivan into the chowder. Connolly’s mistake was trying to help Flemmi afterward because he wanted to honor the deal. You can best understand this from the idea that the FBI did not want to be embarrassed and admit it had a deal with Flemmi.

          7. The significance of the three black agents who infiltrated the black press for J. Edgar is they kept him informed of who was financing, supporting and working with those newspapers so that if needed J. Edgar could act against them.

          8. I read Roemer’s books. I’d say I read all of them although the first was the best.

          9. I’m not sure there is much that Connolly can give us. He told me he knew nothing that was being done wrong. He would say he did the job that he was told to do. He would deny taking money from Bulger. Whitey could tell us what is called the other side of the story which would be nice to know. For instance, I’d like to know if it was Nee or Whitey who killed McIntyre – Nee had the motive, Whitey didn’t. I’d like to know what he was planning to do with all those guns he had in Santa Monica. Yes, there’s much to learn from Whitey just to see how he looked at things.

          Part IV questions:
          1. I speculated Whitey might be put to trial in Florida now that he was transferred there but that was not the reason for his transfer so it is unlikely Florida will try him. He is too old and it takes many years for a death penalty case to come to an end and Whitey will most likely have gone off by that time.

          2. The FBI’s main business is to know what is going on. That means it has to gather information on anything that may appear to be a threat to America. Sometimes it sits on the information and does nothing because nothing is required; other times it acts in surreptitious ways with the information; sometimes it tells others; sometimes it gets involved in working toward an arrest of a person

          3. The FBI is the most powerful force in law enforcement. It can investigate everyone else; no one can investigate it.

          4. Top Echelon informants do not get a ton of money. They get something much more valuable. They get their freedom. It is difficult to get a guy to inform on his friends. They are traitors to the cause. But there are always a few who will and that is what the FBI banks on. Sometimes the informant’s guilt overwhelms him especially when it comes to betraying his fellow religionists as we see with the Muslims and they turn against the FBI by doing something violent against other Americans. Dealing with informants is a difficult business, no one ever incorporates that into the discussion.

          1. Matt
            I undertstand you are pressed for time and would like me to put forth more effort in getting answers to my questions. Are there any other sources (besides the 661 page report by Judge Wolf). As stated, I printed that report out (the link you provided in one of your posts).

            THANK YOU Matt for answering ALL my questions in the post above. I really do appreciate the time and effort you have put into this blog and responding to all bloggers. I am seriously considering a career change now that this whole saga has gripped me. Enjoy the beautiful weekend we are expected to have this coming weekend.

  5. * Provided INFO or DISINFO ( And it is ALL Information) re: matters as mundane as yes … ” Mondays are slow for truck hijackings ” … to … ( in a more contemporary ref from ’95 or so observing in a Harvard Square convo… ” Charlestown had balls for brains ; they jack up bobby brinks @ the ATM and waltz to the getaway car w/out disarming him or tying him hands behind with a zip tie ?!? Well hd shoots up their car on Dunster ; Charlestown thwarted. COINTEL is the social promulgation of INFO in a COMMUNICATION CHANNEL for reasons as varied as reasons will be ; What is one woman’s ” nefarious ” is another’s ” hilarious, ” as MTC in a chivalrous construction might put it. The poser is : If Mr. Bulger is sitting up at Fort Independence, or in the old Combat Zones’ CARNIVAL LOUNGE or HARRY’S lounge on the Essex/ CHINATOWN CORNER where BPD Super Bobby Hayden said Bulger covered his back more than once … or even sitting in THE FOUR SEAS restaurant 38 yards or so from Harry’s…. and starts chatting with a person may/may not be a ” Fed” and Jimmy Bulger BS’S a little … IS THIS ” INFORMING ???” There is no formal structure; no formally bilaterally identified parties in case of an undercover Fed, Statie, or BPD operative. It is INFO AS ICE CREAM SHOP NARRATIVE. You cannot lick it for disingenuous subtlety. ” 38 yards ” is a facetious ref clearly as George Pappas as matter of accurate record was killed with a 38 , remarkably at 3 a.m. or so , in an account read, in FOUR SEAS in 81′-82′ ish as I recollect. … Ms.Freeh might well consider that the man in the seafarin’ cap come to help her scrape FLYING POND barnacles off Elbows Wychulis’s bottom is actually one of her ” Fed she doth daily dread “… and ” LOOK KAREN, CAN YOU SEE THAT HELICOPTER? I’VE BEEN SEEING IT ALL DAY ” Is a question that is a serious poser sometimes in Harvard Square as well as @ FORT INDEPENDENCE . 🙂

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      Privacy Died Long Ago
      In Uncategorized on 06/03/2013 at 9:12 pm


      U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart of Cincinnati swears in George H. W. Bush as director of the CIA as President Gerald Ford watches. REUTERS/George Bush Presidential Library and Museum.

      The great forgotten Cincinnati wiretap scandal

      By Gregory Flannery

      Americans no longer assume their communications are free from government spying. Many believe widespread monitoring is a recent change, a response to terrorism. They are wrong. Fair warning came in 1988 in Cincinnati, Ohio, when evidence showed that wiretapping was already both common and easy.

      Twenty-five years ago state and federal courtrooms in Cincinnati were abuzz with allegations of illegal wiretaps on federal judges, members of Cincinnati City Council, local congressional representatives, political dissidents and business leaders.

      Two federal judges in Cincinnati told 60 Minutes they believed there was strong evidence that they had been wiretapped. Retired Cincinnati Police officers, including a former chief, admitted to illegal wiretapping.

      Even some of the most outrageous claims – for example, that the president of the United States was wiretapped while staying in a Cincinnati hotel – were supported by independent witnesses.

      National media coverage of the lawsuits, grand jury hearings and investigations by city council and the FBI attracted the attention of U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) and the late U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-Ill.).

      As Americans wonder about the extent to which their e-mails, cell-phones and text messages are being monitored, they would do well to look back at a time before any of those existed. Judging by what was revealed in Cincinnati, privacy died long before anyone had ever heard of Osama bin Laden or al Q’aeda.


      In 1988 Leonard Gates, a former installer for Cincinnati Bell, told the Mount Washington Press, a small independent weekly, that he had performed illegal wiretaps for the Cincinnati Police Department, the FBI and the phone company itself.

      A week after the paper published his allegations, a federal grand jury began hearing testimony.

      Gates claimed to have performed an estimated 1,200 wiretaps, which he believed illegal. His list of targets included former Mayor Jerry Springer, the late tycoon Carl Lindner Jr., U.S. District Judge Carl Rubin, U.S. Magistrate J. Vincent Aug, the late U.S. Sen. Howard Metzenbaum (D-Ohio), the Students for a Democratic Society (an anti-war group during the Vietnam War), then-U.S. Rep. Tom Luken (D-Cincinnati) and then-President Gerald Ford.

      A second former Cincinnati Bell installer, Robert Draise, joined Gates, saying he, too had performed illegal wiretaps for the police. His alleged targets included the Black Muslim mosque in Finneytown and the General Electric plant in Evendale. Draise’s portfolio was much smaller than Gates’s, an estimated 100 taps, because he was caught freelancing – performing an illegal wiretap for a friend.

      Charged by the FBI, Draise claimed he had gone to his “controller” at Cincinnati Bell, the person who directed his wiretaps, and asked for help. If he didn’t get it, he said, he’d tell all. When the case went to federal court, Draise didn’t bother to hire an attorney. He didn’t need one. In a plea deal, federal prosecutors dropped the charge to a misdemeanor. Found guilty of illegal wiretapping, his sentence was a $200 fine. The judge? Magistrate J. Vincent Aug.

      If Gates and Draise had been the only people to come forward, they could easily be dismissed as cranks – disgruntled former employees, as Cincinnati Bell claimed. But some police office officers named by Gates and Draise confirmed parts of their allegations, insisting, however, that there were only 12 illegal wiretaps. Other officers not known to Gates and Draise also admitted to illegal wiretaps. Some of the officers received immunity from prosecution in exchange for their testimony. Others invoked their Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate themselves.

      “Due to the turbulent nature of the late ’60s and early ’70s, wiretaps were conducted to gather information,” said a press release signed by six retired officers. “This use began in approximately 1968 and ended completely during the Watergate investigation.”

      The press release, whose signers included former Police Chief Myron Leistler, listed 12 wiretaps, among them “a black militant in the Bond Hill area” and a house on either Ravine or Strait streets rented by “the SDS or some other radical group.”

      The retired cops’ lawyer said there were actually three Cincinnati Bell installers doing illegal wiretaps, but declined to identify the third.

      The retired officers denied knowledge of “any wiretaps involving judges, local politicians, prominent citizens and fellow law enforcement officers or city employees.”

      Getting rid of Aug

      Others had that knowledge, however.

      Howard Lucas, former security chief at the Stouffer Hotel downtown, said he caught Gates and three cops trying to break into a telephone switching room shortly before President Gerald Ford stayed at the hotel.

      “I said, ‘Do you have a court order?’ and they all laughed,” Lucas told the Mount Washington Press.

      The four men left. But they returned.

      “A couple days later, in the back of the room, I found a setup, a reel-to-reel recorder concealed under some boxes,” Lucas said.

      Ford stayed at the Stouffer Hotel in July 1975 and June 1976 – two years after the Watergate scandal, when Cincinnati Police officers claimed the bugging ended.

      Then there was the matter of a former guard at the U.S. Courthouse downtown. He said he had found wiretap equipment there in 1986 and 1987, just a year before the wiretap scandal broke.

      “I heard conversations you wouldn’t believe,” he said. “I heard a conversation one time. they were talking about getting rid of U.S. Magistrate Aug.”

      The wiretapping started with drug dealers and expanded to political and business figures, according to Gates. In 1979, he testified, he was ordered to wiretap the Hamilton County Regional Computer Center, which handled vote tabulations. His handler at the phone company allegedly told Gates the wiretap was intended to manipulate election results.

      “They had the ability to actually alter what was being done with the votes. … He was very upset through some of the elections with a gentleman named Blackwell,” Gates testified.

      J. Kenneth Blackwell is a former member of Cincinnati Council, and 1979 was an election year for council.

      Something went wrong on Election Night, Gates testified. His handler at the phone company called him.

      “He was panicking,” Gates testified. “He said we had done something to screw up the voting processor down there, or the voting computer.”

      News reports at the time noted an unexpected delay in counting votes for city council because of a computer malfunction.

      Cincinnati Bell denied any involvement in illegal wiretapping by police or its own personnel. Yet police officers, like Gates, testified the police received equipment – even a truck – and information necessary to effectuate the wiretaps. The owners of a greenhouse in Westwood even came forward, saying the police stored the Cincinnati Bell truck on their property.

      ‘Say it louder’

      Gates claimed that his handler at Cincinnati Bell repeatedly told him the wiretaps were at the behest of the FBI. He named an FBI agent who, he said, let him into the federal courthouse to wiretap federal judges.

      Investigations followed – a federal grand jury, which indicted no one; a special investigator hired by city council, the former head of the Cincinnati FBI office; the U.S. Justice Department, sort of.

      U.S. Sen. Paul Simon asked then-Attorney General Richard Thornburgh to look into the Cincinnati wiretap scandal. Federal judges, members of Congress and even the president of the United States had allegedly been wiretapped. Simon’s effort went nowhere. His press secretary told the Mount Washington Press that it took three months for the Attorney General to respond.

      “The senator’s not pleased with the response,” Simon’s press secretary said. “It didn’t have the attorney general’s personal attention, and it said Justice (Department) was aware of the situation, but isn’t going to do anything.”

      The city of Cincinnati settled a class-action lawsuit accusing it of illegal wiretapping, paying $85,000 to 17 defendants. It paid $12,000 to settle a second lawsuit by former staffers of The Independent Eye, an underground newspaper allegedly wiretapped and torched by Cincinnati Police officers in 1970.

      Cincinnati Bell sued Leonard Gates and Robert Draise, accusing them of defamation. The two men had no attorneys and represented themselves at trial. Hamilton County Common Pleas Judge Fred Cartolano refused to let the jury hear testimony by former police officers who had admitted using Gates and Draise and Cincinnati Bell equipment. In a 4-2 vote, the jury ruled in the phone company’s favor, officially adjudging the two whistleblowers liars.

      During one of the many hearings associated with the wiretap scandal, an FBI agent was asked what the agency would do if someone accused the phone company of placing illegal wiretaps. He testified the FBI would be powerless; it needed the phone company to check for a wiretap.

      “It would go back to Bell,” the agent testified. “We would have no way of determining if there was any illegal wiretapping going on.”

      The FBI agent was the person Gates had accused of opening the federal courthouse at night so he could wiretap federal judges.

      One police sergeant offered no excuses for the illegal wiretapping. Asked why he didn’t bother with the legal niceties, such as getting a warrant, as required then by federal law, he said, “I didn’t deem it was necessary. We wanted the information, and went out and got it.”

      At one point, covering the scandal for the Mount Washington Press, I received a phone call from a sergeant in the Cincinnati Police Department. He invited me to the station at Mount Airy Forest, where he proceeded to wiretap a fellow police officer’s phone call. I listened as the other officer talked to his wife.

      “Say hello,” the sergeant told me.

      I did. There was no response.

      “Say it louder,” the sergeant said.

      I did. No response.

      “You can hear them, but they can’t hear you,” the sergeant said. “Any idiot can do a wiretap. You know that’s true because you just saw a policeman do it.”

      Privacy is dead. Its corpse has long been moldering in the grave.

      1. MS:

        So perhaps the cops in Cincinatti were corrupt. The problem I find with the story is that any law enforcement group that has to depend on telephone company installers is pretty backwards. I did well over a hundred wiretaps and never used a telephone company installer. The guys I worked with were skilled enough to do the installations without them.

  6. “Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are now written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given you because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.”
    ― Rainer Maria Rilke

    as the Dean of Wharon School of Business
    Once said ” The organizational model
    of the FBI is that of a death squad posing
    as a law enforcement agency ”

    What would FBI agents have to do before
    Congress shuts them down?

    Watch members of Congress discuss being
    Blackmailed by taxpayer funded FBI agents

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  7. “Be patient toward all that is unsolved in your heart and try to love the questions themselves, like locked rooms and like books that are now written in a very foreign tongue. Do not now seek the answers, which cannot be given you because you would not be able to live them. And the point is, to live everything. Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answer.”
    ― Rainer Maria Rilke

    as the Dean of Wharon School of Business
    Once said ” The organizational model
    of the FBI is that of a death squad posing
    as a law enforcement agency ”

    What would FBI agents have to do before
    Congress shuts them down?

    Watch members of Congress discuss being
    Blackmailed by taxpayer funded FBI agents

    Blackmailing the President – Part 1 – YouTube
    Video for Mondale fbi youtube j gordon liddy6:58

    May 28, 2007 – Uploaded by 10Garmonbozia01
    Further comments by G.Gordon Liddy, Walter Mondale regarding the power of …. Seems …

    In other news

    Newspaper lawsuit yields FBI records from civil rights-era informant …
    Feb 25, 2013 – The FBI has agreed to release portions of its files concerning civil rights-era photographer Ernest Withers’ work for the agency as a secret …
    Civil Rights Photographer Unmasked as Informer – The New York …
    Sep 13, 2010 – Ernest C. Withers in his Beale St. studio in Memphis. F.B.I. files indicate that Mr. Withers, who died in 2007, was an informant. Credit Fred R.
    Martin Luther King friend and photographer was FBI informant | US …
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    Sep 14, 2010 – Ernest Withers, who was trusted by civil rights leader to sit in on strategy meetings spied on black activists and white radicals.
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