“Evil seemeth at some time a good to one whose mind the god is leading to ruin, ” is an old Greek saying. Is there any surer indication of a man who is going over the slippery edge than what we see in D.Trump? It is not the so-called “fake news” that has shown how he daily brings disgrace to the office that he holds but it is his words written by himself over his tweeter account. When a person in that position holds forth like he does as if he were a teenager in a rage then you can be sure he has lost his grip.
Do you really think the person in his position in his right mind should be writing the following tweets at 6:00 a.m. on Saturday, March 4?
“Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found! This is McCartyism”
He is accusing the former president of a crime. It will be interesting to see the basis for this comment.
But what makes the post interesting and seems to follow a pattern This tweet came within 24 hours of Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov stating about the criticism of Trump: “I can refer to a quote spread in the media today: all of this looks very much like a witch hunt or the days of McCarthyism, which we long thought have passed in the US, a civilized country, . . . “ Hard not to notice that Trump is following the wording that the Russians put out. I expect that he will do away with “fake news” which has flopped and pick up the term “McCartyism” as suggested by the Russians. Watch for it!
“Just out!: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times and 4 times last year alone.”
The issue is not with relations with Russia. Trump is trying to obscure the problem which is the Russians were working against Hillary Clinton in the election according to all intelligence agencies. The issue is whether Trump’s people were in cahoots with them, that is, did Trump align himself with Russia to defeat Clinton.
“Is it legal for a sitting President to be “wire tapping” a race for president prior to an election. Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW”
First of all if there were a tap it was done by court order and the FBI and it had nothing to do with the election. In fact, Obama refused to disclose the impact Russia was having on the election in order not to interfere with it. The new low is Trump’s attack on Obama. It is especially so because no other president in our history made such an accusation in our history questioning his predecessor’s conduct during an election.
“I’d bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October,just prior to Election!
Trump continues to push the nonsense. This shows his puerile state of mind that he is doing this at six in the morning to Obama who was extremely fair to him. He now is returning Obama’s good graces with a slap in the face. Who but the most juvenile or most sick person goes out of his way to create enemies.
An hour later he writes:
“How low has President Obama gone to tapp (sic) my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!”
(Wow!)
This in the face of the Russians having interfered for him in this “very sacred election process.” Then to call Obama a bad or sick guy is probably the most extreme and unheard of breach of decorum of any person who holds that office. If you don’t think he is sick after all of this then you have not idea what is sick. The man is raving and raving is usually things done by lunatics.
Then to top it off. A little over an hour after writing all that. He’s back to more nonsense.
“Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t voluntarily leaving the Apprentice, he was fired by his bad (pathetic) ratings, not by me. Sad end to great show.”
Yes sireee! I’m sure glad D.Trump has his mind (what is left of it) on the important matters.
There is no political theater quite like when the Deep State and the Lunatic Fringe collide. Bill C and Nc and Nazi tad, do you not see the irony in all of this? Trump spazzing out about leaks, taking the focus away from the substantive connections his admin has to Russia and instead screaming at the top his lungs about leaks? That was exactly what he accused HRC and the DNC of doing when they were upset about Trump/Russian hacks and passing info to Wikileaks. The Steele Dossier has a little bit of life breathed into it with each passing news cycle. Roger Stone, another Trump (and Nixon) associate, just the other day in the Guardian said that he claimed to have “perfectly legal” back channels to Julian Assange. He is also caught up in the Russian scandal along with Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Rex Tillerson, etc. How can so many of these individuals be connected to Russian interests without this being more than a coincidence?? Let’s not forget Rosneft. You know the old saying, if there’s smoke there’s fire. And if that old saying is wrong this time, this is probably the biggest case of smoke but no fire in the history of that saying.
Sorry Bill. FBI Director Comey has asked the Justice Department to publicly declare that Trump’s accusation is false.
Why hasn’t Trump offered any details at all? Who conducted the wiretaps? He doesn’t say. Who got the summaries and transcripts? Trump doesn’t say. Shouldn’t we get a few facts? We don’t get any, because there aren’t any.
DanC:
Listen to Mark Levin: He provides details aplenty. All on the public record. Published reports in major news outlets, many of them liberal.
Plus, the BBC reported in January 2017, that a joint committee of US Intelligence agencies sought three FISA warrants:
“Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.”
The BBC quotes a lawyer who says the FISA applications were clearly aimed at Trump, although the last application apparently did not mention Trump by name or his associates by name.
ALL 3 FISA APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE MADE PUBLIC, IMMEDIATELY!
Bill”
Comeu repudiates Trump’s allegations. Calls Trump a liar. Tells DOJ it too must repudiatenthem. FISA applicationse do not exist. You think he is part of Obama conspiracy?
Dan:
True. There are no details because it did not happen. Yet you see people here suggesting Trump told the truth and coming up with alt facts to support it. Trump does not care if true or not. He puts it out and his followers will believe what he says, and even try to justify it, despite there being no evidence. Trump’s goal is to create an enemy. He tried with the media and failed. Now he will make Obama the enemy so his people can rally against him.
I’m trying to post just the youtube link. Anyway search Mark Levin today on Fox and Friends! He lays out a very strong case!
Bill:
Fox is Trump’s propaganda arm. Levin’s strong case seems to evaporate in light of Comey’s statements and that of others today.
Got 10 minutes? Listen to Constitutional Lawyer Mark Levin present his case about the surveillance of Trump:
Former DNI chair James Clapper says “no wire taps” on Trump. Remember how Clapper perjured himself before Congress and said no mass collection of citizens’ data.
Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey said “I think Trump’s right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney general – at the Justice Department through the FISA court.”
Who do you believe? I believe Mukasey.
Now yesterday Lynch pipes in. Lynch who said her tarmac talk with Bill Clinton was only “about our grandchildren.” Lynch who had to certify FISA warrant applications.
Yesterday, from out of the blue, Lynch said “rights” are being “assailed . . trampled upon . . . and turned back.” She offers no examples, no details. Anyone seen any evidence of folks trampling on peoples’ rights lately? I’ve seen Trump supporters attacked and college students shutting down speakers. Is that what she’s referring to?
She says “ordinary people” must once again come together to “march”, “bleed” and “die”. For what purpose? She doesn’t say! Does she want riots?
Peaceful demonstrations. Whose stopping peaceful protests? Whose stopping peaceful marching?
The only people I see bleeding are the Trump supporters attacked by Leftists!
The Leftists’ hysteria continues.
Please remember the hysterical words of Nancy Pelosi: “if you breathe air, drink water, eat food, take medicines or in any other way interact with courts, this is a very bad decision.”
The Leftists have lost it.
Antigone
Quote 12: “With wisdom has someone declared/a word of distinction:/that evil seems good to one whose mind/the god leads to ruin,/and but for the briefest moment of time/is his life outside of calamity.” Line 673-678
“Hard not to notice that Trump is following the wording that the Russians put out.” Hmmm…., the use of a single, common word by two parties does not establish collusion between them. Your conclusion does not reach the minimum standard of innuendo. It is bizarre. It is baseless mudslinging.
“First of all if there were a tap it was done by court order [1] and the FBI [2] and it had nothing to do with the election [3].” That statement contains three conclusions based on an unproven premise of angelic innocence of both Obama and each and every federal employee that he was responsible for.
“In fact, Obama refused to disclose the impact Russia was having on the election [1] in order not to interfere with it[2].” This is an assertion of two non-facts that are imaginary conclusions from evidence that has not been presented and which likely does not exist.
“The issue is whether Trump’s people were in cahoots with them, that is, did Trump align himself with Russia to defeat Clinton.” In cahoots – what a marvelously elastic phrase. It could could mean anything from accepting money a la Clinton [illegal] to having similar goals [legal]. The real issue here is the raw hatred of election refusenik Democrats dreaming overthrowing the government.
And the beat goes on….
The next step is a call to violence. It has been taken. http://www.wnd.com/2017/03/loretta-lynch-need-more-marching-blood-death-on-streets/
The Black woman Attorney General who met on the tarmac with Bubba has issued a call to arms. The game is being ramped up for the ever faithful pussymarchers.
Listen to her words. Only 51 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX7DsCeTfwM
This is not all that subtle. When you call people into the streets, while mentioning blood and death being the result, you are calling for violence.
Before battle this that generals rally the troops with. When the commanders say you may have to risk being killed they mean you must kill. No one who has read history can conclude otherwise.
Hairsplitting and talmudic word twisting will not out, out the damned spot of blood from this woman’s hands if she gets her, Schumer’s, Pelosi’s, Warren’s, Sanders’, $oro$’ and a host of others’ way for the violent overthrow of the Republic.
Do you really want a civil war? On your side will be arrayed Black Lives Matter and the occasional Goat Diddler. Piddle poor shock troops. Opposed to them will be the nations yeomen, mostly with strong organizational skills, military experience and familiarity with and possession of arms. If you get your war, we will win – decisively. Pussymarchers are lambs to slaughter if Loretta Lynch’s blaring clarion to battle is heeded.
The election is over. Time to grow up. Time to go home. You lost.
Tadzio:
Comey called Trump a liar. Trump gloats over Schwartzeneggers show failing. Keep up your silly defenses and listening to Breitbart.
Trump’s accusation is bizarre and disgraceful. It’s very clear that he can’t handle the pressure of the job, and his frequent weekend trips to Mar-a-Lago don’t seem to be helping.
From The Guardian (Jan. 11, 2017):
“The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The FISA court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.”
The plot thickens!
How silly was the application to the FISA court? It approves at a roughly 3,000 to 1 rate.
Bill is 100% correct. Please re read point #4. There are no facts to connect Russia to the Trump campaign. Even Clapper says there are none. 2. Which campaign had greater ties with foreign governments and foreign interests. Hillary gets 12 million from Morocco, twenty five mil from the Saudis. Over 100 mil goes to the Clinton foundation from the Canadian Giusta and friends as a result of the Uranium deal. Other foreign money goes to the Clinton foundation. Hillary is Secretary of State for four years. She is the globalist and internationalist. Yet the campaign with the most foreign ties is not the one wiretapped? Looks like Obama, Clapper and the NSA demolished our Constitution. This was an attack on America by the prior Administration. Only a Grand Jury can drain the swamp.
NC:
You conveniently forget the Russians were interfering with our election to get Trump elected. As for ties with Russia during that time they seem to be very relevant. Nothing wrong with foreign ties as long as foreign country is not trying to undermine the American election system. Your facts on Uranian deal are basically in error since Clinton had nothing to do with it. Your president is now being called a liar by Comey.
Today’s news: Sean Spicer said:
“Reports concerning potentially politically motivated investigations immediately ahead of the 2016 election are very troubling . . .President Donald J. Trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into Russian activity, the congressional intelligence committees exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016.”
“Neither the White House nor the President will comment further until such oversight is conducted.”
Bill:
The reports of the politically motivated investigations come from Trump. Can’t you see the big con here. Trump makes an unsupported allegation and then Spicer wants it investigated. Alice in Wonderland stuff. Of course they cannot comment because they have no basis for justifying Trump’s calling Obama a criminal.
Matt:
Yes he rants, but METHINKS THOU DOST PROTEST TOO MUCH against Trump!
When the evidence points to an Obama Police State, the liberals become mute! or Yell: “He’s ranting” or “The Russians are coming!”
1. If Trump wrote, “The Obama Administration” sought FISA warrants, he’d be correct.
2. Many folks, even folks on this site, recently have invoked the word “McCarthyism” before Trump did. Maybe Trump is reading us! Of course, today the Trump haters must connect everything to the Russians. I heard someone accused Sessions of using Russian dressing!
3. Hillary’s people worked with the Russians to produce the Dossier against Trump. That’s a fact, Jack! So, we know for a fact Hillary (her people) “aligned with Russia” to defeat Trump.
4. Paul Ryan said recently and the NYT itself reported on 10/30/16 (or 10/31/16) that there was zero evidence of any Trump campaigners coordinating with the Russians about the election.
5. Have you not read about those FISA warrants in June 2016 and October 2016? The June application for a warrant was so specious that it was turned down. (Only 7 of 35,000 applications for FISA warrants have ever been rejected.) News Reports since November 2016 in The Guardian, Mother Jones, Slate, Heat Street, Breitbart have reported extensively on this. Thank God for the Internet!
6. Obama Administration would not conduct surveillance against private citizens?
In 2013, Obama’s A. G. Eric Holder: (a) subpoenaed phone records from twenty (20) Associated Press reporters, (b) named Fox News reporter, James Rosen, a “criminal co-conspirator” under the 1917 Espionage Act to gain access to his personal emails and phone records, and (c) subpoenaed the phone records of Rosen’s parents.”
The AP called Obama’s acts a “massive and unprecedented intrusion” into a free press and said the subpoenaed records “disclose information about AP’s activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.”
6. Swartzy did quit before he got fired.
7. And apparently you cannot see through Obama’s specious, tautological denial: “The President did not order surveillance of anyone.” Of course, not. Presidents don’t order surveillance. Courts do! Attorney Generals sign off on applications for FISA warrants. Attorney Generals seek subpoenas.
8. From all I’ve learned since yesterday, the fact is the Obama Administration twice sought warrants to tap Trump during 2016. This has been reported since November 2017. You too would be irate if that were confirmed. Lindsey Graham said it would be worse than Watergate.
What is old is new again.
http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/15187/actual-quote-from-henry-ii
Bill:
A lot of words trying to defend the indefensible.
” This has been reported since November 2017.”
Are you from another planet or just a different time dimension?
That being said, I have a problem with my fellow liberals using General Clapper as an authority on this stuff.
Clapper, like Sessions, lied under oath. They both should be prosecuted, like the college kids who didn’t tell the whole truth to the investigators of the Boston bombing.
Wa-llahi! When’s the ambulance coming to get him? Hopefully, before May Day. I’m for a do-over regarding the election. The deep state has Glorious Leader by the shorties. It won’t be long now. Trump’s only recourse, at this point, is to try and establish a dictadura like Somoza used to run.