Billy Shea who just testified probably knew Whitey as well as any person who will testify. He’s a life long Southie guy except for the last few years when he got an immunity letter from the government that forced him to testify and he ended up in the witness protection program.
He tells of going to Walpole prison in 1970 for an armed robbery. He’s about thirty at that point and he stays in there until 1977. He tells of getting out in November of that year and he’s hanging around with the 5th Street Crew, the guys at 5th and D Street, who were viewed as violent and dangerous. He says Whitey is having tension with that crew.
By that time the Mullen’s crew is no longer around so these are different wise guys. Whitey gives Billy Shea $500 to help him out around Christmas time and to, according to Billy, help him make peace with that Crew. He then has to make a living and Whitey gets him involved with loan sharking with Jack Curran. He tells how he and Whitey got along all right because both had done time.
Billy said Whitey ran the neighborhood and you never did anything there without his permission. He went to Whitey to get permission to set up and after hours card game. He knew if Whitey said OK then it’d work out.
He told how he saw all these guys walking around Southie with rolls of 100s in their pocket and figured they needed protection. So he, Freddy Weichel and Thomas Nee, the latter two known to be dangerous guys would go around and do a dog and pony show with all the independent drug dealers. They would ask the dealer to step in the car and one of them would have an automatic pistol and the others would say to him put that away. That was just to set the atmosphere.
Shea would say its daylight now and if we don’t resolve this you’ll be seeing us the next time at night and that’s if you see us coming. They were able to make sure there were no more independents. He said they didn’t want to scare them out of business because they would lose a source of money but just explain all the benefits of coming in and joining with them.
Whitey did not want to be connected with the drug business. Shea said he never saw any of the product himself when it came to cocaine, he left that up to Joe Tower the previous witness. He said during the dog and pony show they never mentioned Whitey’s name. Whitey took a weekly pay check going from 4.000 up to 8,000 or 10,000 thousand. He said if anyone went to Whitey to complain, no one would ever mention drugs, but just say he was being leaned on. Whitey would tell the person Shea is a friend of his and is dangerous so he better go along with him.
He said he always paid “Jim” each week because Jim would stop by his house. Sometimes he’d stay a while, other times not. He said he could always reason with Jim. They had their disagreements but were always able to work them out.
He talked about going up to M Street with $170,000 to meet a guy who was going to deliver high-grade cocaine. Jim wanted him to go into the house and he wouldn’t do it. He said having been in prison he knows about trap doors and he got paranoid. He knew Stevie Flemmi, who he called a very, very dangerous guy, Kevin Weeks, and maybe Pat Nee were in there. He refused. Jim (Whitey) understood because he’d been in prison. They had the guy come down. It was Joe Murray, Pat Nee’s connection, who he’d eventually do business with.
He said he kept trying to get out of the business after 6 or 7 years but Whitey wouldn’t let him telling him the business would fall apart without him. He kept going to Florida to show Whitey it wouldn’t. But Whitey kept insisting. He said one time Whitey got angry at him and said to him remember what happened to Bucky Barrett. He knew Bucky had disappeared. He said that was the only time Whitey threatened him. Shea said when people do that to him he does the opposite since he doesn’t take too kindly to being threatened. The worst thing about the threat, he said, was he did it in front of someone else, Pat Linsky, and that was embarrassing.
He then told a riveting story about going back to Florida and coming back again and having Whitey, Stevie Flemmi and Kevin Weeks show up at his house and tell him to take a ride with them. He went upstairs in his house and got a small gun and he’d never really carried before. They drove over to the D Street housing project which was being renovated so no one was around. He and Whitey got out of the car and they walked into a vacant building.
He said Whitey wanted to go down the cellar. He then said I don’t know if many of you people know what it’s like going down into a project cellar but it’s like going down into a coffin with cement walls on all sides. Whitey was in front of him but he pushed ahead of him. When he reached the bottom he put his back to the wall so he could see Whitey and also over Whitey’s shoulder to see if Stevie was coming. He watched Whitey’s hand. He said his heart was pumping. He knew Whitey carried a knife in his boot. If he reached for it he was going to go for his gun.
They talked. He remembers Whitey talking about trust. He reminded him that he took a fall in ’83 and didn’t talk. He didn’t do time back then as the two others had done because he had a better lawyer. As they talked he could see Whitey relaxing. “Jim said, ‘Come on let’s get out of here,’ and we left.”
Whitey took him in there to kill him but changed his mind. Good he did because Billy was not going down alone. Whitey asked him if he needed a ride, he said he’d walk. He saw him one other time when he was out with his four-year old boy for a walk in Old Colony. Whitey and Stevie were there. All the old fears came back but Whitey walked over to him and said they were only there by coincidence, it had nothing to do with him.
He has Whitey laughing when he was telling how much money he was making in the cocaine business and suggested that Whitey was probably sitting there in court thinking of how much money they cheated him out of.
He pretty much filled in the picture both the prosecutors and Carney want to show. Whitey got a lot of money for providing protection for the drug dealers. As far as the case goes he was a wash, but he did show Whitey was not an ogre as many have painted him and had a good side to him.
I’m actually best friends with William shea aka Billy jr, his half brother is Kevin , retired pro boxer, there’s alot more to the story and I actually know why he turned on w.b. most dont.
Bryan:
It’s always nice to share things. I’m sure the folks here would like to know. Let’s hear the rest of the story. Your secret is safe with us.
first of all anybody who reads this trash and believes it should hang themselves…..my uncle B.Shea was never in witness protection….and none of you weak mother fuckers know 1 thing about him…..or Jim Bulger, ….my father was his twin brother and guess what all you fucks they had the last laugh all the way to the grave……..R.I.P my beloved father Tomas and my uncle Willaim they died 1year apart…..
Matthew:
Calm down. No one ever said your uncle was in a witness protection program. Read the article again. It was based on you uncle’s testimony in court. Everything in it is what he said.
Billy Shay was a good man
Dear Matt,
What is significant is that the news is making such a big deal about such insignificance; that was the larger point. The press overlooks the important issues, as you have indicated with the Todashev case, and yet these recordings are front page news. That is what is significant here. As you point out, he was concerned about a robbery. Those tidbits also reveal nothing about the overall context of the conversations, either. So the probative value then — the evidentary foundation for admitting the recordings — is to substantiate that he “talks like a gangster,” apparently? I also found it to be interesting that Shelley Murphy similarly saw fit to make a big deal about it in her tweets as well. Perhaps these recordings will make it into her next book when the trial is over? Perhaps she shall dedicate an entire chapter to these recordings, given the heavy weight the media has allotted to them, whereas you hardly bat a lash or raise an eyebrow. It is a steady contrast in your approaches.
Then again, you are a commentator offering your expert opinions, while Shelley is just objectively reporting the news in a fair and balanced way.
Sincerely,
Jay
Shelley has written more crime fiction then Sir Arthur Conan Doyle!. She is Wyshaks personal reporter.It appears that in return for leaked grand jury testimony, which, unless it is done by a member of Team Wyshak, is a federal felony, she will print anything the US Attorney’s Office asks her to print. I’m not sure….is that ethical? ~~~
Declan:
True – she’s giving her readers the side she loves best and to which she owes allegiance for some of her scoops. Sometime they have little idea what they are talking about like the time she scooped the arrest of the terrorist bomber a day before he was identified and had everyone flocking to the courthouse based on her wrong information. You can be sure that source is still feeding her stuff. I’m not sure what media ethics are. She accused me of saying she did something unethical by suggesting she may have paid for the Whitey letters. I never knew it was unethical to do that since there is a long tradition of newspapers buying information. Then again, it doesn’t have to be money that you use in buying a story, it can be favorable new coverage.
Dear Another:
Thanks for the transcript link; I’ve read the transcript and specifically was wondering if Matt had any comment about it and why the media is making this into front page news, as we see here:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/02/19251560-prosecutor-guns-for-whitey-bulger-with-jailhouse-tapes
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/02/prosecutors-play-tapes-whitey-bulger-jailhouse-conversations/owXNpdUU5cCy49ePSFMTXI/story.html
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/article_us.aspx?aid=19251560&afid=20
This last one makes one of the biggest about it with the tagline, “guns, murder, money in jailhouse convos.” Now in one of the tapes, he was talking about stopping a robbery in his liquor store.
If past pattern and practice means anything, I am guessing that there may be a new post from Matt in the works solely dedicated to this issue.
Sincerely,
Jay ~~
Jay:
I listened to the tapes and thought they were a big nothing in the context of the case. Three tapes running less than 30 seconds each from a guy whose been in prison for two years – I tweeted that they all bombed. The juror’s know he’s a gangster and he talks like a gangster. He tells how he was watching some kids casing his joint and how he was ready if they did anything to let them have it with his shot gun from an upstairs window overlooking the store and Stevy Flemmi was standing behind with a .45 in his back. He’s telling Jackie a story with some hyperbole and laughter.
The machine gun story he started to tell his nephew and niece about Eddie Connors owning the bar in Savin Hill up by where Moakley’s used to be. Unless you were from Savin Hill or had been there you would never know of Moakley’s since that was the name of a barrroom that had been gone a long time. Eddie Connors combined it with another store and made it into Bulldog’s a bar and dining room joint. Whitey mentioned that and then tol of the shooting and said the machine gun noise not as if he was there but in reminding them who Eddie Connors was. I thought it all unmemorable. No post on it since it was not significant.
Your comment from a prior day hit the nail on the head. If the Boston DOJ had run the nurenburg trial everyone would have got a deal to testify against Hitler. The scum of the earth are here in Boston to offer up what they can against Whitey. The former drug dealer was interesting to listen to. I hope at some point Steve Flemi will take the stand. I would think also that Billy and Jackie Bulger will take the stand also. regards,
Norwood:
How you been. I’ve missed you two cents. So you can smell the stench of the case was off where you are. No suprising. Weeks is on stand on Monday – Flemmi will be on a little later – the Bulgers won’t testify altough still up in the air whether Whitey will.
Dear Matt,
Are you going to address the “machine gun” recording? The news is making it out to be a smoking gun, especially Shelley Murphy:
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@shelleymurph
#Bulger makes machine gun sound while telling William Bulger Jr. (Billy’s son) about slaying of Eddie Connors in phone booth
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Does making a sound effect like that have any probative value? I’ve heard lot of people who have made explosion sounds since April but don’t think it means they were involved in the Boston Marathon attack.
Sincerely,
Jay
transcript can be found here, the page is dynamic so you may have to scroll down to find it
http://bulger.wbur.org/story/1977/?location=11111
Another:
Note the writer has Billy as the older brother which is wrong. I thought Whitey would have used the N word in the first story as the media here all said he routinely used it. Second story shows it’s exculpatory in a sense where he says Eddie Connors is a nice guy – and they threw him into the mix. Had much less an impact than the transcript shows since the way the conversation flowed in a story telling mode.
Jay:
I’ve said before that the context of the calls the way the words were expressed there’s far from a smoking gun. I’ve noted it’s 15 to 30 seconds somewhere in the middle of a 50 minute conversation on one day in 720 he’s been in prison he starts off saying Eddie Connors was a nice guy and then they describe where his bar was located in Savin Hill and tells how he was murdered by a machine gun (makes noise instead of saying it) not in any way indicating he did it but for clarification of who he is talking about. He then says they threw him in the mix or something like that. It was all washed away by the testimony of Billy Shea that was riviting. Unless the jurors read the newspapers they’ll think nothing of it.
that story is right out of a movie – vintage whitey at work! i would have loved to have been in the court to hear it! i cannot wait for stevie and brutal to talk “on stage.” i disagree that it would be in whitey’s best financial interest to have killed shea – good earners dont die unless they absolutley have to, remember money rules these people and he had already killed, tortured and abused in every way to solidify his reputation. i think whitey knew him well enough and also had the foresight to realize (according to Matt’s story above) that he went upstairs before getting in that car and whitey prob assumed he had a piece on him before he walked down those “coffin stairs”. as billy recounted today, he was ready to take whitey with him if he tried anything by himself. also sounds like no back up came with WB during this encounter which would have been very unlike him and too risky. thanks matt, happy 4th! ~~
SJM,
True about the importance of money and earners to organized crime, but the meeting Shea told about occurred AFTER he had left the business and was not going to be earning any more money. That means Shea was a complete liability and a dangerous one at that. The significance of the event was that Bulger did NOT follow the axiom you accurately describe, earners are kept around but liabilities are eliminated.
This event is actually an indication that WB is distinguishable from most of the government’s witnesses. Most people probably can’t believe it, but Billy Shea did. Otherwise Shea would have refused to go in, like he refused to go into the house in which he knew Pat Nee was waiting for him. A couple of other minor points: Whitey turned his back on Shea to walk down the “coffin stairs” ahead of an armed career criminal. That speaks volumes of their relationship. Lastly, Weeks and Flemmi stayed nearby in the car while Shea and WB got out with Shea. Shea could have shot him, but he wouldn’t get far. I suspect WB needed to look Shea in the eye to asses Shea’s “honor among thieves” before he let a great earner walk away into the sunset. That’s exactly what he did, and it doesn’t seem like Bulger regretted it, even today.
P
Another Matthew,
Unfortunately, there is likely to be little fallout over this trial. There is no oversight of the DOJ’s behavior, so no DOJ employee will face scrutiny or discipline from that quarter.
Congress is supposed to play an oversight role of DOJ, but Congress has already investigated this matter and been proven impotent.
The media is charged with shining light on government wrongdoing, but in this instance the media is compromised.
The DOJ has leaked to the media reams of fraudulent evidence and perjury over the last two decades. The media has commodified this bogus evidence and sold it as articles, columns, books, and even movies. The media cannot now expose anything because to do so would hurt themselves financially and it would expose themselves as having been suckered by the USAO. (BTW There is a remarkable change in attitude observable at the courthouse among the reporters. The reporters realize more with each witness that they have have been used by Wyshak and Kelly. Instead of the reporters just huddling with the prosecutors during breaks, the reporters now sheepishly attempt to make small talk with defense counsel. The reporters are visibly uncomfortable because Brennan and Carney possess the full evidence that the reporters and authors have been suckered by Wyshak and Kelly. It’s a humorous dynamic and it explains why for the first time in history the media has not intervened to lift the gag and impoundment orders in a high profile trial. “You can’t handle the truth!”)
For all the aforementioned reasons, it is more likely that this travesty of justice is destined to repeat itself than result in any reform or fallout. The most we’ll see is a little blushing by Wyshak and Kelly and their captive reporters.
Patty,
I want to believe that you are incorrect, the people will wake up and DEMAND they true accountability, revocation of immunity and trials for them all! Close the FBI offices in Boston and open under proper oversight!
Sadly, I also believe that I need to let you know that I prefer my crow medium-rare with a peppercorn and blue cheese brandy sauce.
I know my rant is unrealistic, I just think I moved into the “anger/outrage” phase. I suppose my next stop will be resignation. ~~
Another:
You might be able to see those who have been at this for a long time despair of anything changing.
Patty:
I agree with most of what you say but the media is more than ever determined to double down on what they have been saying. I think the outcome will determine if there is any accountablility and I don’t see that the DOJ will lose all the counts.
SJM –
Shea was out of the business when Whitey had him down the bottom of the project’s steps leading into the cellar. Having lived in the project I knew exactly what he meant when he said it was like a coffin. Whitey didn’t have any financial risk in murdering him.
Absolutely right it is a money game; also Whitey didn’t need to do anything to cement reputation. I’m not sure Whitey knew he had a piece – had he he might have shot him in the back of the head walking down the steps – Shea emphasized he kept looking at Whitey’s hands when he was talking to him thinking he’d go for a knife or a gun – he also said looking over shoulder to see if help was coming – in either event he was going to go for his piece – I’m thinking Whitey really liked Shea – was egged on by the other guys to hit him – standing face to face talking to him and seeing in him a guy who did time and also could have burned him in ’83 – he just didn’t have the heart to do it – Whitey needed an excuse to kill someone – being a rat was a good excuse – being a potential enemy also – but he had none on Billy but the other guys convinced him he did but when he looked him in the eye he realized he didn’t and let him walk.
HAPPY 4th
I personally believe that there will be some SERIOUS fallout from this trial, a backlash against the FBI/DOJ. They are not in a good place regarding some other recent events in Boston this year to begin with.
Someone is going to look at all the sweetheart deals given to these guys and ask why. The excrement is going to hit the rotary wind device when people do realize EXACTLY WHY the DOJ was so desperate to pin all of this on two guys; Connolly and Bulger. I think if you are reading this blog you probably know what I am getting at here.
36 years of unnecessary evil and enormous emotional and financial cost to the people of the city, state and country.
In exchange for this cost we now have murderers living in country club communities, lifelong street thugs with immunity deals, corrupt officials with pension plans, bookies and drug dealers with tans 12 months out of the year, a current boss in this decade is inexplicably enjoying informant status and on and on and on.
The trophy for all this irresponsible behavior is a neighborhood boss and a “lone rogue” SAC? Hundreds of affected lives, millions of dollars that could have gone to the school systems and all the FBI/DOJ has to show for it are prison sentences for “Boots and Zip”??? What a tragic failure that renders the oath these people took meaningless.
I am very proud to tell anyone who listens that I am from Boston, the greatest city I have ever been to. I am disgusted to have to admit that my heritage includes this sorry tale. ~~
Matt from Texas: well said.
Another”
As long as we see the FBI can cover-up what happened in a room where a guy was killed in front of six or more cops and put a black out on any news about it for six weeks you have to understand this is not a Boston problem. During the time this was happening SACs and ASACs were moving in and out of Boston as were the agents from other parts of the country. Headquarters was knowledgeable about everything that was happening. We only know about Boston because Judge Wolf forced us to take a close look at it. The problem is nationwide. The real problem is no one is in a position to control the FBI.
I have to read the indictment and start ng score with of which elements andtestimony goes to what which charge.
Curious as to if any charges where test from martorano, morris, weeks, or flemmi is not needed.~~
Meant testimony from weeks martorano flemmi or morris is NOT needed
Ernie:
so corrected
Ernie:
Cross out all the murders committed by Martorano for Angiulo – put a check mark besides the drug and gun indictments – wait until the epic battle of Carney vs Weeks to do any more checks or strike outs. Carney better pick up his game if he wants to come out on top – still wondering about his cross on Tower.
A good side? Cause of all those times he didn’t kill the guy he was sharing the spoils of drug profits with? ~~
It was probably in Whitey’s best finacial and legal interests to kill Shea. How do you think John Morris would have handled Shea if he were in Bulger’s shoes? John Martorano? Jimmy Martorano? Pat Nee? Tommy Nee? Howie Winter? Steve Flemmi? Kevin Weeks?
Matt is quite correct that Shea was very lucky he was dealing with Whitey (and not any o the government’s witnesses). ~~
Better than Martorano is not actually good. When your defense of Bulger is- Hey, there’s this one guy he didn’t kill when maybe he could have- you have strayed way off the path into mindless apologia.
Keep the focus where it belongs- the vast federal corruption that allowed Bulger to operate all those years. Just because there are, as yet, unexposed feds who were bad, it doesn’t mean Bulger was good.~~
asmithee
Reminded me of the time I came home from school in the 7th grade with a lot of red marks on my report cars – my dad was pretty upset — I tried to explain to him that Skippy Adams report card was even worse than min – couldn’t understand why it didn’t pacify my father that I did better than one other kid – you are right, being better than Martorano is like the rest of the 99.999% people in the world.
I’m suggesting there was another side to Whitey that other hoodlums may not have had. I’m not suggesting by any means he is a good guy. He’s a vicious killer but there are aspects of his personality that seem different than I had understood them to be. Thanks for noting that.
Patty:
Any of the others would have offed Shea. Whitey was very vulnerable since Shea was one of he few guys who dealt directly with him. Shea said when he reminded him he could trust him because he kept quiet in ’83 White relaxed and the mood changed. None of the others would have given him a chance. I’ve noted both Shea and Tower exhibited a fondness for Whitey.
It was probably in Whitey’s best finacial and legal interests to kill Shea.
How do you think John Morris would have handled Shea if he were in Bulger’s shoes? John Martorano? Jimmy Martorano? Pat Nee? Tommy Nee? Howie Winter? Steve Flemmi? Kevin Weeks?
Matt is quite correct that Shea was very lucky he was dealing with Whitey (and not any of the government’s witnesses). ~~
asmithee
Point well taken but I’ll tell you that you could see a fondness by Billy Shea for Whitey if you watched him testify. It’s sort of strange when at the same time he tells of him planning to whack him out and then backing out. Joe Tower also showed the same thing toward him. I don’t know what it is that he makes them act this way. Stay tuned for the big match next week when Weeks comes in – that’ll tell us a lot.
Matt: force of personality. Some guys just command that aura of respect. My father used to speak reverently of Raymond LS. I know guys from Providence who still speak reverently of Raymond LS. In the Sopranos, Season 6, episode 7, Bennie wants to kill Artie and tells Tony he’s gonna do it, even saying to Tony, “you can then kill me”, but then Tony lays down his decision and no one is going to be killed. Tony said it. It’s final. It’s part of the rules, the culture. It really is something to behold.
Jon:
You could see the guys were ever mindful Whitey was sitting there. As both said, nothing happened in Southie without Whitey’s OK
Matt- I am looking forward to your assessment of Weeks. I believe it will unlock some stuff we will be able to pick up on. I also want more information on the other agents Morris and Connolly were working directly with. Is Nick Gianturco a dirty agent? I also hate to see these criminals with immunity fade into the sunset with pensions and peace of mind. These dirty bastards should not get to live in peace they should be challenged by Truth and Disgust.~~
Doubting-
I’m going to post an article on Weeks = let’s say in my opinion he’s 80% of the case against Whitey – after he steps down I believe Whitey’s fate will be decided one way or the other. As for all the FBI agents keeping their pensions and walking away, nothing can be done about it. The DOJ wanted to keep the lid on this case so it is limiting its exposure.
Maybe they’re just sentimental and/or bemused that history has led them to this place? If I were in their shoes, I suspect I would be.~~
asmithee
Or upon more reflection they could be falling back into the way the used to be whenever they were in Whitey’s (Jimmy’s) presence – a little bit intimidated and quite respectful of him – rather than fondness as I have said they still maintain a wariness about him just in case he breaks out or beats the rap and hits the street – I have to sort though this – each guy had provided information to the government in anothe setting – now telling it in front of Whitey was a horse of a different color.
Matt, I think what they call it in today’s terminology is a “man-crush”, or as I suggested was the simple root of this entire saga, in a previous comment, was childhood hero-worship of Whitey by John Connolly. He just never outgrew it, in fact it escalated. I grew up in the eighties in Southie and his reputation was, as Rick Marinick aptly put it, like a giant black cloud that was ever-present over Southie from end-to-end, and once in a while lightning would strike. No one ever really seemed to see him, but you could always feel him around. He was known to occasionally wear a disguise ( old lady ) and just pop-up out of nowhere, to scare the living sh*t out of grown men. He was revered and respected back then as a living legend. You had to be there to experience it, to understand it. On a different note, off-topic…. quick question,…has there been any mention whatsoever in testimony regarding the Gardner Museum heist? Thanks, Matt. keep up the great work, and Happy 4th of July.
Rather:
Everyone wants to pal around and be seen with the king. You really summed up everything about Connolly. Quite perceptive. You knew what it was like to live in Southie during his reign. If you were the king’s friend, everyone thought you were a hot shot. I have first cousins from Southie and knew other guys from there – having spent my first ten years in the same project as Whitey – I understand what you have pointed out. I’m of the same opinion as you. Great post.
Nothing in the trial about Gardner. The FBI has told us that they know who did the Gardner Museum heist but they are not telling us because they really don’t know. That’s why SAC DesLauriers just got canned (for that and his Boston Marathon Bombing screw ups). Thanks for your input = always appreciate it. Enjoy the day.
Just to add again and sorry for multiple posts..I’m pretty sure Pat Nee ONE of the First to pen a book his winter hill gang activity and whitey? ~~
Jack-
No problem with the posts. Nee wrote a book at the same time as Weeks – actually came out within months of each other – all the guys with deals with federals wrote books – none of them ever expected Whitey to be caught.
Great article… on a side note, one correction to above article..Billy Shea Never entered Witness protection program. ~~
Jack:
I think you are right. My mistake. The way Wyshak asked him where he lived by saying you live outside the state made me think he’s in witness protection. Usually Wyshak will ask what state the person lives in unless they are in the program. But I just went to the witness list and see that he is listed as living in Orlando, Florida. Thanks for the correction.
to previous post… a Lie was told? That meeting happened exactly as told..have to love when people make comments like the one above hilarious…once again happened exactly as told. ~~
Jack:
Billy Shea waffled during the telling of that meeting. So it is unclear if Nee was there or not from his testimony but most likely he was there since he was the contack for Murray.
Bad dude that Pat Nee. Thank God he isn’t still in the business and being protected by a corrupt FBI like Whtey was.
Bahahahahaha ~~
Ernie:
Good point ~ how is he much different than Whitey and he’s gotten away with murder – litterally.
Matt,
Billy Shea told at least one big lie. He said he met with Pat Nee and Pat’s connection Joe Murray to do a big drug deal ($170K).
We know this is a lie because Fred Wyshak already told the court very clearly that “Pay Nee has nothing to do with this case! Nothing at all….it’s a non sequitur!”
Wyshak and Shea can’t both be telling the truth. One of them lied to Judge Casper.
Could Billy Shea, a career criminal and drug dealer be more credible than the US Attorney?
God save the Commonwealth.
P ~~
MTC9393 and Patty – You two, have phenomenal ears for details. And what’s great is that the verbal volley between you alone from time to time has made this site far more eye-opening than any talk show on tv…your verbal repartee has allowed this case to open to new depths. Someday, “you two” – along with Jay as a guest – just might have to move this blog onto a Youtube format as a sort of “he said, she” said kind of Criminal videopost/videopod/radioblog!! Just a thought. ~~
Alex:
They’re plenty of people here who could contribute mightily to any discussion. But it would be nice to have a panel from this blog of thinkers sit down with those with different opinions and have a go at it. It’d certainly be entertaining. Sort of better than Friday nights at the fights since some real punches will be thrown – figuratively, of course.
Patty:
You picked up that – let me tell you what he said – he had already been told to leave Pat Nee out of that deal – so he said Stevie and Kevin were upstairs and “Pat Nee but I don’t know if Pat Nee was there.” He was trying to please the feds but he knew Whitey was there listening to him and he knew Nee was there but he knew he wasn’t suppose to say it. He ended that area by saying “well I know Pat Nee was Murray’s contact.” Billy left it so you could believe anything you want.
Shea was highly believable. As to whether he was more believable than Wyshak ~ that’s another issue.